Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for draft-zollner-scim-roles-entitlements-extension
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From: "Matt Peterson (mpeterso)" <Matt.Peterson@oneidentity.com>
To: Chad Vincent <chad.vincent@crashplan.com>, Danny Zollner <Danny.Zollner@microsoft.com>, "scim@ietf.org" <scim@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for draft-zollner-scim-roles-entitlements-extension
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Danny, Chad, I agree with Chad’s feedback about id. For us it would be best for us if Roles and Entitlements resources had the following attributes that match other SCIM resources (i.e. users, groups): id <-- this one is particularly important. I think that the draft uses “value” instead of “id”. I much prefer “id” as it is already assumed by most developers to be an immutable value that can be queried directly by URL (or referenced by contains/containsBy) meta <-- described in RFC7644 section 3.1. meta.created and meta.lastChanged have been useful for us when dealing with users/groups displayName – instead of “display” would be consistent with “displayName” on users and groups the name “suitable for display to end-users”. description – instead of “type”? For our Identity Management products, the human readable description of what a Role and Entitlement grants access to are very important. In most application authorization models, this is the “description” of the role or “description” of the entitlement. containsBy / contains – slight wording change to make it clear that this is a list of *ids*. Consider reusing some of the wording from RFC 7644 that describes Group.member and User.memberOf? -- Matt P.S. Sorry for taking so long to read this draft properly. It is important to us and, with the suggestions above, it matches the model we already use in our Identity Management products. From: scim <scim-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Chad Vincent Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:09 PM To: scim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for draft-zollner-scim-roles-entitlements-extension CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not follow guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. I love this - we use roles currently and having a more formal spec and ability for the client to read what's available could come in very handy in the future. So mark me down as a 5. However, these resources not including the common attributes set mandated by RFC 7643 section 3.1 should be explained/clarified in the RFC. The Apache SCIMple library will have to handle these resources as special-cases since they won't have the required "id" field, for example. That seems major enough to justify a paragraph. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com>> To: SCIM WG <scim@ietf.org<mailto:scim@ietf.org>> Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 23:40:10 +0000 Subject: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for draft-zollner-scim-roles-entitlements-extension Hello SCIMers, We need feedback on to gauge support and adoption readiness of: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zollner-scim-roles-entitlements-extension/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-zollner-scim-roles-entitlements-extension%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cmatt.peterson%40oneidentity.com%7Cb93c1a9df1ce43b1579108dabddfa2fd%7C91c369b51c9e439c989c1867ec606603%7C0%7C1%7C638031065457274469%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tBa11%2Fiu9KqiI09Hj7jMIj1ylO0autjBHncMlTYKuAQ%3D&reserved=0> Please respond to this thread on the following: 1. You have read the draft and believe it is ready to be adopted by the working group. Any other feedback on the content of the draft is welcomed too. 2. You are willing to be an active contributor or reviewer of the document 4. You support the draft and plan to implement 5. You support the draft but have no time or plans to implement now, but can provide feedback 6. You have no interest in the draft Please provide your feedback by November 28th. Thanks, Nancy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Paul Lanzi <paul@remediant.com<mailto:paul@remediant.com>> To: SCIM WG <scim@ietf.org<mailto:scim@ietf.org>> Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 16:50:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for draft-zollner-scim-roles-entitlements-extension #4 for me. Thanks, --Paul ᐧ On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 4:40 PM Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: Hello SCIMers, We need feedback on to gauge support and adoption readiness of: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zollner-scim-roles-entitlements-extension/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-zollner-scim-roles-entitlements-extension%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cmatt.peterson%40oneidentity.com%7Cb93c1a9df1ce43b1579108dabddfa2fd%7C91c369b51c9e439c989c1867ec606603%7C0%7C1%7C638031065457274469%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tBa11%2Fiu9KqiI09Hj7jMIj1ylO0autjBHncMlTYKuAQ%3D&reserved=0> Please respond to this thread on the following: 1. You have read the draft and believe it is ready to be adopted by the working group. Any other feedback on the content of the draft is welcomed too. 2. You are willing to be an active contributor or reviewer of the document 4. You support the draft and plan to implement 5. You support the draft but have no time or plans to implement now, but can provide feedback 6. You have no interest in the draft Please provide your feedback by November 28th. 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- [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for draft-… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Paul Lanzi
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Chad Vincent
- Re: [scim] [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback and adoption r… Danny Zollner
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Saxe, Dean
- Re: [scim] [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback and adoption r… Brian Demers
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Matt Peterson (mpeterso)
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Matt Peterson (mpeterso)
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Chad Vincent
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Phillip Hunt
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Anuradha Karunarathna
- Re: [scim] [⚠️] Feedback and adoption readiness f… Alice Wang
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [scim] Feedback and adoption readiness for dr… Connor Rowe
- Re: [scim] [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback and adoption r… Connor Rowe
- Re: [scim] [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback and adoption r… Connor Rowe