Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description
Cedric Westphal <cedric@iprg.nokia.com> Thu, 17 January 2002 17:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description
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Pat, Pat R. Calhoun wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > First, I have not followed the debate. However, I find > > unacceptable > > that you would tell Behcet not to voice his opinion because he is > the > > only one doing so. > hmm... Correct me if I am wrong, but where did I state that Behcet > couldn't voice his opinions? > That was my interpretation of: 'how about we get to work and leave this behind us'. Your co-chair did also call him a 'sour grape'. > That was certainly not my intention. He > is entitled to say what he wants, but that won't necessarily change > the WG's decision (and that was my point). > > > How do you get > > to the conclusion that the roughly 495 who are not participating > in this > > debate agree with you (and not Behcet) just because they shut up? > My point here was that there are plenty of folks on this list, and if > you look at the archives, many of them certainly have voiced their > opinions many times over. I haven't heard anything from those folks > either. > My point here is that these plenty of folks don't voice their support to this process either. Behcet has counted Vijay and Rene supporting him. I have not followed the debate, so please let me know who agreed with this process, and that'd be the end of this. > > Can you point to one debate where the rough consensus was reached > > by way of more than 250 favorable opinions? > Hmmm.. Perhaps you misread my statement. Read above. > I did push your statement to the extreme. The point was consensus does not go by absolute numbers, but relative numbers of for and against, especially since on any topic, the very vast majority never says a thing. Thanks, Cedric. > >
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Behcet Sarikaya
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Pat R. Calhoun
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Cedric Westphal
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Pat R. Calhoun
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Pat R. Calhoun
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Hesham Soliman (ERA)
- [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description James Kempf
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Pat R. Calhoun
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Cedric Westphal
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Cedric Westphal
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description James Kempf
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Rajeev Koodli
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Muhammad Jaseemuddin
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Vijay Devarapalli
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Chitrapu, Prabhakar R
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Pat R. Calhoun
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Behcet Sarikaya
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Hesham Soliman (ERA)
- RE: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1