Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol
"James Kempf" <kempf@docomolabs-usa.com> Tue, 15 January 2002 17:37 UTC
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From: James Kempf <kempf@docomolabs-usa.com>
To: Vijay Devarapalli <vijayd@iprg.nokia.com>
Cc: Behcet Sarikaya <behcet.sarikaya@alcatel.com>, seamoby@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:23:22 -0800
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Vijay, > People spend a lot of their time to come up with proposals. > and they also hope that their proposal goes somewhere in the > WG. and when the protocol assessment turns out to be murky > and they complain, I dont think it is right to call them > "sour grapes". > I fully appreciate the amount of time people spend putting into their proposals and I was not trying to denigate that. A soccer team works hard to win a tournament, but after the game has been decided, they don't go around complaining about the result, at least, not if they are good sportsmen. It seems to me more than passing strange that the only people who have so far complained about the decision publically are people whose proposals weren't selected. Furthermore, authors of two of the drafts that were not selected have publically declared themselves ready to continue working with the working group, and it is really just the author of the third who continues to agitate against the decision. If there was an outcry on the list from others, I would be more inclined to view the complaints seriously. In the past, the Seamoby list has not been short of people who were ready to jump out at the first sign of a technical controversy and express their opinions. I have not seen a single one of those people, either in SLC or on the list, stand up publically and say that they did not agree with the decision. I've already agreed that the the decision process by which the selection was made was not transparent. I have some text that I have written which I hope will render more transparency to the process, but I have not yet been able to get a time to talk with Pat and Allision about it. If you can just be patient, I will post the text as soon as we have had a chance to review it. Let's see if there are any complaints from neutral sources about the decision after I've posted that text. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby
- [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocoly Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocoly James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol James Kempf
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Seamoby] Re: IP Paging Protocol James Kempf