Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description

Behcet Sarikaya <behcet.sarikaya@alcatel.com> Thu, 17 January 2002 18:50 UTC

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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:37:28 -0600
From: Behcet Sarikaya <behcet.sarikaya@alcatel.com>
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Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Paging Protocol Decision Description
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Hello all,
  The assessment for IP Paging was supposed to be announced at WG 
meeting in SLC. And it did. The minutes of this meeting contained 
strange text in paging part because the paging part talking or 
presentation was done by Kempf and the minutes was also taken by Kempf. 
Kempf did the talking based on the slides, almost literally he was 
reading from the slides. The slides were not posted despite several 
repeated request that I made on the mailing list.
  Because of the admitted irregularity, i.e. one draft was eliminated by 
sparing no comments I declared the assessment results moot.
  Kempf now wishes to correct this irregularity by adding an additional 
text which includes his own comments and does not include other's 
comments, e.g. I made an assessment of draft-renker and no one seems to 
have commented otherwise.
  Kempf wishes to keep adding some new criteria , e.g. remove some text 
from the the assessment I-D all designed to keep his own personal 
conclusion of the assessment process.
  The fact is that the assessment team was composed of volunteers. Their 
evaluation is similar to evaluating papers submitted to a conference by 
some anonymous referees. In such cases the acceptance/ rejection is made 
based on the marks given by the referees, so how come we ignore the 
marks? The marks are very consistent with the way the assessment team 
was selected and the assessment was conducted. So we argued that 
draft-renker must have been declared the worst based on these marks.
  How should the assessment team be formed otherwise? I think that the 
people with recognized expertise in IP Paging should have been consulted 
as they do in MIP WG. There are such people. These are the issues I 
wanted to discuss with Kempf when I asked him to call me or give his 
phone number so that I can call. He refused.
  IP Paging can not be equivalent to what Kempf knows of it, it is much 
more  than that.

Regards,

--behcet


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