Re: [Seamoby] CAR DiscoveryProtocol Requirements...

Vijay Devarapalli <vijayd@iprg.nokia.com> Fri, 21 December 2001 19:30 UTC

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Dirk,

can you make IKE create an SA between two nodes (one having
a public address and another having a private address)?

does AAA route based on private address realm?

as for as I know neither is possible. (maybe I am wrong).

if an ISP wants context tranfer between two routers,
let it allocate public addresses for both.

Vijay


"Trossen Dirk (NRC/Boston)" wrote:
> 
> Hi Vijay,
> 
> two comments:
> - we are considering IPV4 as well IPV6, which brings naturally private
> address spaces into play. As long as we are not considering entirely
> public routers, any solution has to deal with this problem, which
> therefore
> makes it a requirement.
> 
> - It's certainly debatable that it makes a solution 'very complicated',
> in particular since I don't know what kind of 'measure' you applied
> for your statement. However, I'm sure that every requirement on its own
> makes the overall solution more complicated (this is certainly true for
> some others on the list of requirements). However, removing requirements
> 
> just for the sake of making life easier doesn't seem to be the right
> way.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dirk
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vijay Devarapalli [mailto:vijayd@IPRG.nokia.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:41 PM
> > To: Trossen Dirk (NRC/Boston)
> > Cc: Govind Krishnamurthi; seamoby@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Seamoby] CAR DiscoveryProtocol Requirements...
> >
> >
> >
> > how about "it makes the CAR discovery protocol very
> > complicated".
> >
> > and tell me why its there in the first place..
> >
> > all other requirements are fine.
> >
> > Vijay
> >
> > "Trossen Dirk (NRC/Boston)" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > is there any specific reason why you want to remove private
> > > address space considerations?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Dirk
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ext Vijay Devarapalli [mailto:vijayd@iprg.nokia.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:34 PM
> > > > To: Govind Krishnamurthi
> > > > Cc: seamoby@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Seamoby] CAR DiscoveryProtocol Requirements...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Govind Krishnamurthi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > To add to James' mail. Please let us know if any of these
> > > > > requirements need to be modified or whether any other
> > requirements
> > > > > are needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Govind.
> > > > >
> > > > >         REQUIREMENTS FOR CAR DISCOVERY PROTOCOLS
> > > > > >
> > > > > >1. MUST translate L2 Ids (APs and ARs) to L3 Ids of ARs
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >2. MUST support L2 devices of different technologies
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >3. MUST support for L2 devices (and ARs) in
> > > > private/site-local spaces
> > > >
> > > > Remove 3. everything else is fine.
> > > >
> > > > Vijay
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >4. MUST communicate capability information between GAARs
> > > > in a secure and
> > > > > >reliable manner
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >5. MUST use standard format for capabilities..
> > > > > >  and this is TBD
> > > > > >
> > > > > >6. Protocol applicability - SHOULD (show of hands
> > > > indicated that a MUST
> > > > > >is needed here) support inter-domain as well as
> > Intra-domain scope
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >7. MUST NOT introduce network elements dedicated to
> > CAR discovery.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >8. SHOULD minimize involvement of ARs which are not
> > GAARs in CAR
> > > > > >discovery
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >9. MUST NOT depend on a particular mobility management protocol
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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