[secdir] Re: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-mls-architecture-14
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Sat, 27 July 2024 22:43 UTC
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 15:42:29 -0700
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Subject: [secdir] Re: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-mls-architecture-14
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On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 9:23 AM Yoav Nir via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > Reviewer: Yoav Nir > Review result: Has Nits > > I have previously done an early secdir review on this draft: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mls-architecture-09-secdir-early-nir-2022-10-08/ > > For the most part, I stand by what I wrote then. The document is very well > written and provides a thorough analysis of security and privacy. It is now > section 8 rather than 7. > > As for the nits: > * "MLSCiphertext" has been renamed to "PrivateMessage". It is still used > without having previously been defined within the document It is defined inline in S 2.1. > . Still only a nit > because it is defined in RFC 9420. * Section 7.2.3 (now 8.2.3) still > defines > "deniability" only to assert that MLS "does not make any claims with > regard to > deniability", which is still strange. I think this is OK. the point is that this doesn't claim to have a property that people may want. > * The superlative language ("extremely", > "very") has been toned down. Thanks, although I still think that "clients > have > the extremely important role" is a strange way of saying SHOULD. > Addressed in https://github.com/mlswg/mls-architecture/pull/264 -Ekr
- [secdir] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-ml… Yoav Nir via Datatracker
- [secdir] Re: Secdir last call review of draft-iet… Eric Rescorla