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I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing=
 effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These com=
ments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors=
. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any =
other last call comments.

This document is: Ready


This is a bookkeeping document with no technical content. At issue is how t=
o pick the low order eight bytes of IPv6 addresses. The original vision was=
 to use the six bytes MAC address or the eight bytes from some other MAC ad=
dress assignment mechanism so that addresses could be unique without any sp=
ecial configuration. That approach has been problematic. In an increasingly=
 virtualized world, more and more entities need IPv6 addresses that don't h=
ave physical adaptors from which to get MAC addresses. Worse, privacy enthu=
siasts believe it will leak too much information about who you are if you u=
se the same low order bits in an IPv6 address when connecting to different =
network connection points.


RFC7217 specified an alternate means for choosing the low order 8 bytes of =
IPv6 addresses that will generate consistent addresses when connecting to t=
he same network connection point but different addresses when connecting di=
fferent ones. There is a growing consensus that this is a better default be=
havior.


Unfortunately, there are lots of existing RFCs that include contrary advice=
... that still recommend the older mechanism. So this document formally upd=
ates RFC2464, RFC2467, RFC2470, RFC2491, RFC2492, RFC2497, RFC2590, RFC3146=
, RFC3572,

RFC4291, RFC4338, RFC4391, RFC5072, and RFC5121 to reflect the new advice. =
If we can do this instead of going back and updating all of those documents=
, then there is an administrative savings. If we're also going to go back a=
nd amend each of those documents, then I'm not sure what this document is f=
or.


In any case, there should be no security objections to this document. Any s=
uch objections should have been lodged against RFC7217.


--Charlie





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<div>I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's on=
going effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. Thes=
e comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area dire=
ctors. Document editors and WG chairs
 should treat these comments just like any other last call comments.<br>
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<p></p>
<p>This is a bookkeeping document with no technical content. At issue is ho=
w to pick the low order eight bytes of IPv6 addresses. The original vision =
was to use the six bytes MAC address or the eight bytes from some other MAC=
 address assignment mechanism so
 that addresses could be unique without any special configuration. That app=
roach has been problematic. In an increasingly virtualized world, more and =
more entities need IPv6&nbsp;addresses that don't have physical adaptors fr=
om which to get MAC addresses. Worse,
 privacy enthusiasts believe it will leak too much information about who yo=
u are if you use the same low order bits in an&nbsp;IPv6 address when conne=
cting to different network connection points.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>RFC7217 specified an alternate means for choosing the low order 8 bytes =
of IPv6 addresses that will generate consistent addresses when connecting t=
o the same network connection point but different addresses when connecting=
 different ones. There is a growing
 consensus that this is a better default behavior.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are lots of existing RFCs that include contrary adv=
ice... that still recommend the older mechanism. So this document<span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12pt;">
</span><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;">formally updates
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC2464</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC2467</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,</span></font></font><font face=3D"Cou=
rier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rg=
b(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12p=
t;">
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC2470</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC2491</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC2492</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC2497</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC2590</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC3146</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC3572</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,</span></font></font><font face=3D"Cou=
rier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rg=
b(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12p=
t;">
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"></font></font></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000=
ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" si=
ze=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Hel=
vetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC4291</span></font></font></font><fo=
nt face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span styl=
e=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC4338</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC4391</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" f=
ace=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">RFC5072</span></font=
></font></font><font face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Courier" siz=
e=3D"2"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
 and </span></font></font><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"=
2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000=
ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Arial,H=
elvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"=
>RFC5121
</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">to reflect the new advice. If w=
e can do this instead of going back and updating all of those documents, th=
en there is an administrative savings. If we're also going to go back and a=
mend each of those documents, then
 I'm not sure what this document is for.</span></span></font></font></font>=
</p>
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ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" si=
ze=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 12pt;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
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<p><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000=
ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" si=
ze=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 12pt;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In
 any case, there should be no security objections to this document. Any suc=
h objections should have been lodged against RFC7217.</span></span></font><=
/font></font></p>
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ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" si=
ze=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 12pt;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
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ff" face=3D"Courier" size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Courier" si=
ze=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 12pt;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">--Charlie</span></span=
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