Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-isms-transport-security-model-12
Jeffrey Hutzelman <jhutz@cmu.edu> Tue, 05 May 2009 19:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-isms-transport-security-model-12
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--On Tuesday, May 05, 2009 01:50:46 PM -0400 David B Harrington <dbharrington@comcast.net> wrote: > That is a deployment decision made by an administrator who has an > understanding of what is appropriate to the system in question. MUST > is for implementers and SHOULD is for deployers. Nononono. When we say "MUST is for implementors", we mean that our specifications give requirements for implementations which claim to comply; RFC2119 requirements language is generally inappropriate for deployment advice. It is appropriate to say TSM MUST be use with a TM that provides appropriate security; that is equivalent to saying that implementations MUST NOT use TSM together with an inappropriate TM, such as UDP. That said, selection of transport and security models generally is an operational decision. TSM itself is really architectural glue to allow us to push some of the security infrastructure down into a transport below SNMP, such as SSH or TLS. You'd never say "I want to use TSM, now which transport should I use"; you'd say "I want to use SSH -- oh, for that to work, I have to use it with TSM". -- Jeff
- [secdir] secdir review of draft-ietf-isms-transpo… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-isms-tran… David B Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Jeffrey Hutzelman
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… David B Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Jeffrey Hutzelman
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… David B Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdirreview ofdraft-ietf-ism… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Glen Zorn
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review of draft-ietf-i… David B. Nelson
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review of draft-ietf-i… Sam Hartman
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review of draft-ietf-i… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdirreviewofdraft-ietf-isms… David Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdirreviewofdraft-ietf-isms… David Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… David Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… tom.petch
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… tom.petch
- Re: [secdir] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-isms-trans… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [secdir] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-isms-trans… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdirreviewofdraft-ietf-isms… tom.petch