Re: [secdir] [Cfrg] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts

Peter Gutmann <> Sat, 23 March 2019 05:01 UTC

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From: Peter Gutmann <>
To: Tero Kivinen <>
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Thread-Topic: [secdir] [Cfrg] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts
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Tero Kivinen <> writes:

>Different people do have different opinions who things should be done, and it
>seems the new editors of the draft added quite a lot of stuff, most likely by
>the request of the working group.

It'd be interesting to get comments from people involved as to why all the new
stuff was added, it's far enough in the past that I don't think it matters any
more if people comment on it.  The two major client and server
implementations, OpenSSH and Putty, don't do the stuff from the newer drafts,
and I know of several other implementations that also don't do it, so who/what
was driving it?

>I did hear some people saying to me that they do not want to go to the secsh
>wg meetings at all because going there will cause them to get shitstorm
>destined to you and they did not want to receive such things.

Hmm, interesting, hadn't heard that about the SSH WG specifically, although
I've heard it about one or two others.  So the SFTP work stopped because of
infighting, not because people lost interest/V3 was good enough?