Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-ietf-opsec-protect-control-plane-04

"Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <> Tue, 14 December 2010 20:49 UTC

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Not the most authoritative source, granted, but I believe at the time we
discussed this we checked Wikipedia (and not C J as precedence), at
<>, that says "The
tradition of using 1645 and 1646 for backwards compatibility continues
to this day", and with full context:

"However, prior to IANA allocation of ports 1812 and 1813, ports 1645
and 1646 (authentication and accounting, respectively) were used
unofficially and became the default ports assigned by many RADIUS
Client/Server implementations of the time. The tradition of using 1645
and 1646 for backwards compatibility continues to this day. For this
reason many RADIUS Server implementations monitor both sets of UDP ports
for RADIUS requests."

That said, I think that you can make a strong case for using the
"proper" ones. We will make this change.

Thanks, Joe and Glen.

-- Carlos.

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From: Joe Abley [] 
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To: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
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Subject: Re: secdir review of draft-ietf-opsec-protect-control-plane-04

On 2010-12-14, at 11:43, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote:

> Please note that this was intentional, as a doc produced in Opsec we
intended to make it as close to the operational reality we know as
possible. And our perspective was that we see more 1645/1646. 

I understand that's your perspective, which is entirely understandable
given what cisco devices do by default, but I don't think it's
necessarily the case that 1645/1646 are universally prevalent (at least,
claims that it is ought to be balanced with some balanced, real-world
observation). I take your point that juniper devices accommodate the
pre-standard ports as well as the IANA-assigned ones. There are more
vendors in the world than just C and J, however.

I think pointing out that 1645/1646 are also used is perfectly valid,
for the reasons of operational reality that you mention, but that the
examples should use 1812/1813.