Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis-08
Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Tue, 11 November 2014 04:56 UTC
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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 23:56:06 -0500
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Subject: Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis-08
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Hi Barry, On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote: >> I'm OK with an unspecified strictness order. But I think "Expert >> review with significant, stable public documentation." is highly >> misleading. In the absence of express additional criterion, >> Specification Required constrains the expert to only judging whether >> or not the documentation is sufficient. It should say "Significant >> stable public documentation sufficient for interoperability." or >> something like that. > > I can live with that. Shall I make the changes, with that modification? OK. with that I'm satisfied. >> Have you ever been in the position of seeking a code point >> assignment when you believed the relevant expert was both >> unconstrained by any specific guidelines and actively hostile to your >> effort? I have and I can tell you I would have loved for the criterion >> to be a simple Specification Required. So this may color my thinking. > > And that's why this version of BCP 26 is much stronger than the RFC > 5226 version with respect to guidance for the designated expert. And > I know that several of us on the IESG now are pushing that, strongly > asking for DE guidance (often to the puzzlement of the document > authors, who aren't sure what we're looking for). I think the reason > guidance is often lacking is exactly because it's obvious to the > people writing the document what the DE should be considering, and the > problems happen much later. I'm not so sure it's obvious. While there might be people they would trust, it is really a significant amount of work to try to come up with reasonably complete guidance - there is really no limit to the contingencies that could be covered. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > All that said, the current IESG is not the future IESG, and there may > come a time when we again have an IESG that doesn't push on this point > at all. Which is why it's good to have the strong push for DE > guidance baked into BCP 26. > > Barry
- [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-iana… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-leiba-cotton-… Donald Eastlake