Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-ietf-ippm-loss-episode-metrics-03

Al Morton <acmorton@att.com> Wed, 16 November 2011 04:26 UTC

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:26:38 -0500
To: Tina TSOU <Tina.Tsou.Zouting@huawei.com>, "secdir@ietf.org" <secdir@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [secdir] SECDIR review of draft-ietf-ippm-loss-episode-metrics-03
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Tina, thanks for your review.
I'll clarify a few points below,
Al

At 09:15 PM 11/15/2011, Tina TSOU wrote:
I had reviewed the draft already, but I have no knowledge to comment on the metric model. As far as security issue is concerned, since this is a active measurement, it suffers the drawbacks of injection of measurement traffic which is listed well in section 9.

Yes, as the latest metric in a long series of RFCs on
metrics for Active measurement, there are no new issues.

They should see if their model complies with RFC 1262: guideline for Internet measurement activities.

Although 1262 is a general guideline mostly for passive collection,
there are some general implications for active measurement as well.
However, RFC 2330 covers this topic far more extensively and
specifically for active measurement in IPPM.

 It can also help if they can mention what is the threshold percentage of measurement traffic that is tolerable and if they can quote an approximate percentage of measurement traffic needed to inject according to their loss metric and if it is acceptable.
 

This threshold has been requested by SecDir and other reviewers
outside of IPPM, but there is no value which is applicable to all
measurement circumstances. Even 1262 and 2330 decline to do this,
using general wording without providing a single numerical threshold.
Thus, the coverage of this draft is consistent with RFC 2330 and
previous metric RFCs on the topics load and amount of measurement
needed (accuracy is a design problem that goes beyond the metric definition).