Re: [secdir] [Cfrg] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts

Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Mon, 18 March 2019 06:23 UTC

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From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
To: denis bider <denisbider.ietf@gmail.com>, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [secdir] [Cfrg] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts
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denis bider <denisbider.ietf@gmail.com> writes:

>SSH is full of underdocumented, partly functional custom extensions (to
>cryptography, compression, SFTP, port forwarding, host key synchronization,
>VPN, and more), most of which could be better designed, better documented and
>standardized

+1.  Mind you given the hassle in setting up a WG for it and getting things
through the IETF, it might be easier to just set up a Github repository for
documentation on what does what and how and rely on Google to point people to
it.

Peter.