Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-isms-transport-security-model-12
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Fri, 08 May 2009 21:42 UTC
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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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Subject: Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-isms-transport-security-model-12
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On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 06:56:27PM +0200, tom.petch wrote: > The idea of Models in SNMP is to be able to mix and match. In > practice, this has not worked - USM with sshTM will not function, > regardless of whether it is secure or not. Not sure I understand why. Can you explain? > Thus TLS has session cache and resumption. Will that work with TSM? Yes, this will just work fine since it is transparent. You can add session resumption to SSH and it will work just fine with sshtm. Of course, sometimes we design for extensibility and when we need it, we realize the shortcomings of the design. But there are also things that just work fine - you are painting a picture here with black colors. Even though it is difficult to get exensibility right, I think not trying to be extensible is not an alternative. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
- [secdir] secdir review of draft-ietf-isms-transpo… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-isms-tran… David B Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Jeffrey Hutzelman
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… David B Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Jeffrey Hutzelman
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… David B Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdirreview ofdraft-ietf-ism… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Glen Zorn
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review ofdraft-ietf-is… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review of draft-ietf-i… David B. Nelson
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review of draft-ietf-i… Sam Hartman
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir review of draft-ietf-i… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdirreviewofdraft-ietf-isms… David Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdirreviewofdraft-ietf-isms… David Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… David Harrington
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… tom.petch
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-ism… tom.petch
- Re: [secdir] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-isms-trans… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [secdir] secdir reviewofdraft-ietf-isms-trans… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [secdir] [Isms] secdirreviewofdraft-ietf-isms… tom.petch