Re: [secdir] What and who is SecDir?
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Fri, 15 April 2011 13:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [secdir] What and who is SecDir?
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Nicely put. Only thing I'd add is that for some discussions it might be useful to move to saag or ietf-discuss if getting broader input is useful, since while secdir archives are open, posting is moderated. I don't think anyone needs permission for that, but I guess as ADs we should be watching out for discussions that would be better in a more open environment. In this case, it was a pretty quick flurry of mails that got resolved so that wasn't appropriate. S. On 15/04/11 14:32, Barry Leiba wrote: > Over in the "secdir review of draft-kuegler-ipsecme-pace-ikev2" > thread, Paul and Nico had this exchange, which I don't want to see > lost in that thread that not everyone will be reading: > > Nico: >>>> "We", secdir, are volunteers. This volunteer would rather avoid wheel >>>> reinvention, and this volunteer, perhaps naively, had hoped others >>>> would agree. Perhaps other volunteers disagree (you do). I >>>> explicitly referred to secdir, not WG chairs, not ADs, nor did I refer >>>> to actual current practice, but rather stated an opinion of what we >>>> ought to do. > > Paul: >>> Most people on secdir are here because they are chairs of WGs in the Security >>> Area. Maybe you are thinking of the old secdir model. :-) > > Nico: >> Perhaps I don't belong here any longer then? And yes, I'm thinking of >> the old secdir model. When was it abandoned? (We both seem to be out >> of date then regarding secdir practices!) > > As I see it -- and the ADs can chime in if they see it differently -- > Nico and Paul are both right. We are volunteers who want to see > security issues in IETF protocols brought up and discussed, and who > are willing to help do that through reviews and discussion. The group > is seeded with the chairs from the sec-area WGs, but it doesn't > comprise those chairs exclusively. And I, at least, wouldn't like it > to. > > For my part, I certainly think, Nico, that you do still belong here. > I'd hate to see people leave this directorate just because they no > longer chair any sec-area WGs. That we don't always agree, as a > group, and that there are sometimes arguments about the > appropriateness of one reviewers comments, from the point of view of > another, is only natural. If those disagreements lead to interesting, > useful discussions (even if they briefly become "arguments", and > sometimes get a bit heated), that's all the better. No part of the > IETF is strife-free. Just so long as we leave the twibills back in > the armory. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM > > Barry > _______________________________________________ > secdir mailing list > secdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/secdir >
- [secdir] What and who is SecDir? Barry Leiba
- Re: [secdir] What and who is SecDir? Stephen Farrell
- Re: [secdir] What and who is SecDir? Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] What and who is SecDir? Steven Bellovin
- Re: [secdir] What and who is SecDir? Tobias Gondrom
- Re: [secdir] What and who is SecDir? Glen Zorn