Re: [Secdispatch] EDHOC Summary

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 28 March 2019 16:26 UTC

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Comments: In-reply-to Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> message dated "Thu, 28 Mar 2019 12:36:57 +0100."
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Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] EDHOC Summary
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Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> wrote:
    > I am strongly in agreement with doing this.

...
    >> Chartering a narrowly scoped, short-lived WG in this space with EDHOC
    >> as a starting point seems to be an attractive path forward, but we
    >> would like to
    >> receive community feedback on the degree of support for this approach.

I believe that that our experience with narrowly scoped short-lived WGs has
been poor.  I can't think of a positive, or really, any example.
I would dearly like this to not be the case... so maybe we can do better.
Maybe there is some RFC3999 we can try here.

I would propose (and will volunteer, unless you'd rather do this to yourself
Roman) to ask some past IESG chairs (Russ, Jari) about when we have done this
in the past, and then find out from relevant (past?) ADs if there are lessons
to be learned.

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