Re: [Secdispatch] Comments on draft-jordan-jws-ct-04.txt

Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> Tue, 27 July 2021 15:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] Comments on draft-jordan-jws-ct-04.txt
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On 2021-07-27 12:58, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On 2021-07-27, at 09:41, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Unlike JSON which nowadays [1] have a working deterministic representation [2], CBOR leaves a good portion of this crucial part to application developers to figure out.
>> The net result is a fragmented CBOR space with groups like FIDO creating their own unique definition called CTAP2.
> 
> Statements like this are a reason why I’m calling for some supervision here.

Another action could be to consider co-creating(!) an "I-CBOR" profile that would not only address documented CBOR interoperability issues for normal data exchange [1], but also make CBOR usable in cryptographic contexts without necessary embedding data-to-signed in bstr like COSE.

thanx,
Anders

1] https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/1624#issuecomment-862672788