Re: [Secdispatch] draft-selander-lake-reqs-00: SDOs

Göran Selander <goran.selander@ericsson.com> Thu, 18 April 2019 12:12 UTC

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From: Göran Selander <goran.selander@ericsson.com>
To: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>, "secdispatch@ietf.org" <secdispatch@ietf.org>
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Hi Hannes,

On 2019-04-18, 13:04, "Secdispatch on behalf of Hannes Tschofenig" <secdispatch-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> wrote:

    Hi Goeran, 
     
    I am not a big fan of motivating work by referencing to other SDOs
 
[GS] Fine, there are IETF internal references of OSCORE too.
     
Why? Because it is largely a forum shopping activity..

People from other SDOs have been encouraging us to add desired features (Open Connectivity Foundation) and offered help to progress (Fairhair Alliance). 

Others on the list may not know that you brought OSCORE to the OMA / LwM2M v1.1 specification. It is an optional feature. You wrote that part of the specification, if I recall correctly.

[GS] Correct. Like EST-CoAPs is a feature you have been driving in both IETF and OMA / LwM2M v1.1. 
     
       o  LwM2M version 1.1 [LwM2M <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-selander-lake-reqs-00#ref-LwM2M>].  LwM2M v1.1 defines bindings to two      challenging radio technologies where OSCORE will be deployed:      LoRaWAN and NB-IoT.    
    Regarding “… where OSCORE will be deployed”: Just because you add an optional feature to a specification does not get it deployed.

[GS] I am aware of companies investing in OSCORE for the purpose of deploying it with LwM2M over NB-IoT or LoRaWAN.

Göran