Re: [Secdispatch] Comments on draft-knodel-e2ee-definition-02

Alec Muffett <alec.muffett@gmail.com> Fri, 30 July 2021 02:39 UTC

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From: Alec Muffett <alec.muffett@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 03:38:35 +0100
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To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>, Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, IETF SecDispatch <secdispatch@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] Comments on draft-knodel-e2ee-definition-02
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 14:29, Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
wrote:

> >    * First, it became a marketing term. Many want to label their
> solution as something that provides e2e security.
>
> That is important, especially if we are trying to win what is a "war of
> words" against people who can say "lawful intercept"
>

Hey all; copying from my recent email to CFRG:

I will be presenting "draft-muffett-end-to-end-secure-messaging" tomorrow
at the CFRG meeting*, but my slide deck is packed, it will be late in the
evening in the UK, I'm sleep-deprived from a new baby, and my experience of
Meetecho so far has involved rather a lot of lag.

So I thought I would put in some effort up-front and entirely spoiler
myself. Attached is a YouTube video with my entire slide deck for tomorrow,
and voiceover, running for 9:42s, so at least in theory it is possible for
me to run to time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmL9HYywrHg

I am sharing the video openly, and depending on "tech" I may try showing it
tomorrow, reusing the audio, or else I may attempt to "wing it" and repeat
it verbatim, live; but if you're enthusiastic about the draft, you're
hereby invited to prep your slings and arrows by watching the video
beforehand.

    -a

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