Re: [Secdispatch] EDHOC Summary
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From: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>
To: "Owen Friel (ofriel)" <ofriel@cisco.com>, Göran Selander <goran.selander@ericsson.com>, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] EDHOC Summary
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> Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx<mailto:rlb@ipv.sx>> wrote: > > I'd like to push back on this point. It may be that EDHOC has been around for > > a while and been well-socialized with the IoT crowd, but it is clearly > > deficient in several other types of maturity, e.g., robustness of formal > > analyses and state of implementations (AFAICT). I would like to point out that initially the work on EDHOC was intentionally not positioned as a TLS replacement (or even competitor). For years I was told that it is supposed to be used in addition to and on top of TLS. Fast forward a few years the story is very different now. This type of positioning helps you to avoid dealing with a number of folks in the IETF (in this case with the TLS crowd) but it does not help in the long run. Ciao Hannes PS: FWIW this is not the first time this has happened. ANIMA wasn’t any different when the proponents claimed that IoT was out of scope. IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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