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Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 12 December 2019 16:52 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 08:52:18 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] [EXTERNAL]Re: Clarification Question for the Comment from Eric Rescorla (
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 8:33 AM Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) <
pkampana@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Sorry if I've missed it, but who do we have that is calling for a
> post-quantum PKI solution to be developed now, but who is not promoting one
> such?
>
> We (Cisco) will need PQ PKI (not WebPKI) solution for image signing. When
> talking about chips that are designed now and will live in the field for
> decades, we would like to design today instead of wait for 2030. Note we
> are spending (not making) money on PKI, so we are not trying to corner a
> market.
>

Is there a reason why you don't want to do hash signatures?

-Ekr

I have talked to another vendor interested in them to sign its OS but I
> will not speak for them. I have also talked to at least one HSM vendor that
> has some clients asking for PQ PKI support to be added in their HSM but I
> will not speak for them either. I don't think any of these use-cases are
> trying to corner a market.
>
> Panos
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Secdispatch <secdispatch-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Stephen
> Farrell
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 9:04 PM
> To: Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth@entrustdatacard.com>; Eric Rescorla <
> ekr@rtfm.com>; Dr. Pala <madwolf@openca.org>
> Cc: IETF SecDispatch <secdispatch@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] [EXTERNAL]Re: Clarification Question for the
> Comment from Eric Rescorla (
>
>
> Hiya,
>
> Cutting to the nub of my concern...
>
> On 09/12/2019 01:46, Mike Ounsworth wrote:
> > I hope that doesn’t preclude a push for a more immediate solution.
>
> ISTM the "push" is less for a solution than for understandably attempting
> to corner a market. I don't think such attempts are "bad" things, but I do
> think following 'em is more likely unwise.
>
> Sorry if I've missed it, but who do we have that is calling for a
> post-quantum PKI solution to be developed now, but who is not promoting one
> such?
>
> Thanks,
> S.
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