Re: [Secret] Robert Wilton's No Objection on charter-ietf-tigress-00-03: (with COMMENT)

"Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com> Thu, 30 June 2022 12:37 UTC

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From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>
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Hi Roman,


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
> Sent: 30 June 2022 13:28
> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: tigress-chairs@ietf.org; secret@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Robert Wilton's No Objection on charter-ietf-tigress-00-03:
> (with COMMENT)
> 
> Hi!
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: iesg <iesg-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Robert Wilton via
> Datatracker
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 8:15 AM
> > To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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> > Subject: Robert Wilton's No Objection on charter-ietf-tigress-00-03: (with
> > COMMENT)
> >
> > Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for
> > charter-ietf-tigress-00-03: No Objection
> >
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> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > COMMENT:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I agree with other comment as to whether the requirements/constraints on
> the
> > solution should be listed in the charter.  E.g., presumably this means that if
> the
> > WG cannot come up with a solution that meets the constraints then it must
> > close or recharter to progress?
> >
> > Some of the constraints also seem a little odd, or unclear:
> >
> > * Allow a sender and a recipient to perform multiple round trip
> > communications within a limited time frame Is the requirement about
> > performing round trip communications, or to be able to complete the
> transfer
> > in a short bounded time?
> 
> The former.

I'm still slightly lost as to what the text is trying to get at here?  I.e., why this is a requirement.  This would seem to rule out any solution that transferred the credential in a single exchange (which may not be possible anyway)?

> 
> > * Not require that both the sender and recipient be online at the same time
> > What is meant by being online?  Is this about having network connectivity
> to
> > the relay server?
> 
> Yes, it is about having any connectivity relative to the relative proxy.  This
> clarification was added in response to IAB review.
> 
> I just changed the text to be:
> 
> NEW
> Not require that both the sender and recipient have connectivity to the relay
> server at the same time

Okay.

> 
> > * Support opaque message content based on the credential type It wasn't
> clear
> > to me exactly what this is, or why carrying arbitrary opaque data is an
> absolute
> > requirement?  Is that about carrying some associated message related to
> why
> > the credential is being delegated?
> 
> Using my own colloquial words, this proposed work provides a protocol that
> is a wrapper for a variety of use cases/external work which have specific
> credential formats.  These formats will be treated as blobs (opaque data) and
> carried by the protocol.

This explanation (or perhaps a shorter version or it) is less obscure that the current charter text.

Thanks,
Rob

> 
> Roman