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Re: Fixing exchange of host keys in the SSH key exchange

Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Sat, 08 April 2017 03:48 UTC

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From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
To: Mouse <mouse@Rodents-Montreal.ORG>, "ietf-ssh@NetBSD.org" <ietf-ssh@NetBSD.org>
Subject: Re: Fixing exchange of host keys in the SSH key exchange
Thread-Topic: Fixing exchange of host keys in the SSH key exchange
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Mouse <mouse@Rodents-Montreal.ORG> writes:

>They say, when describing hostkeys-00@openssh.com and hostkeys-
>prove-00@openssh.com, that "[i]t also supports graceful key rotation: a
>server may offer multiple keys of the same type for a period (to give clients
>an opportunity to learn them using this extension) before removing the
>deprecated key from those offered".
>
>I cannot see how this is even possible, at least not without a custom kex
>algorithm. With, for example, Diffie-Hellman as defined in 4253 section 8,
>the server presents only one host key to the client, and must choose which
>one to present before kex (and thus authentication) completes.  This then
>gives no room to "offer multiple keys of the same type".

I assumed the offered keys are via "hostkeys-00@openssh.com", not in the
keyex.  As the text says, it offers those for awhile, then when it seems all
clients have got a copy it switches the keyex from the old to the new key.

Peter.

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