Re: draft-baushke-ssh-dh-group-sha2-01 (was Re: DH group exchange)

denis bider <ietf-ssh3@denisbider.com> Fri, 29 January 2016 06:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: draft-baushke-ssh-dh-group-sha2-01 (was Re: DH group exchange)
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Hello Mark,

appreciated, and agreed.

Given these recommendations, we should consider what to do about hmac-sha2-384.

In RFC 6668, we mentioned it, but did not actually define it.

It seems that there is now a need to define hmac-sha2-384 formally. It has the advantage of 16 fewer bytes being used for MAC.

On the other hand, I'm not sure that there's a need for rsa-sha2-384. I don't see advantages compared to rsa-sha2-512, which the current draft defines