[Sedate] Can offsets like [+02:00] be used instead of IANA names in brackets?

Justin Grant <justingrant.ietf.public@gmail.com> Mon, 07 March 2022 23:22 UTC

Return-Path: <justingrant.ietf.public@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: sedate@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: sedate@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4A33A0DD2 for <sedate@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Mar 2022 15:22:44 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.107
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UayUM8evNkP1 for <sedate@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Mar 2022 15:22:39 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A82E3A0DD3 for <sedate@ietf.org>; Mon, 7 Mar 2022 15:22:39 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com with SMTP id u61so34217497ybi.11 for <sedate@ietf.org>; Mon, 07 Mar 2022 15:22:39 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Cp6l1h+5ZZuAzm0Z7F89+J5G1aw5g4Ey3+4UG84BTXw=; b=PN+0Xe8OSx7Zg4qeAo/Amf0q4s2SbVAHBgcShQiHtnOmYIMe4t0wVuj1h+ie5NFVv4 4IzErvlwnDqzq2ohcgUQI3Ci8hyY62P6K+6JFz+l6ltA7F5yvx9XqAR9NxYb+0vxTRjO eAXHCjq1npNnYoD83QJmVYc6B8I1iJ49GeeKR26jRKCAOknXCqaO2BVuePCXSDCg7bAb fWHO/1eT1+5TmDUvhg/EVy/c4iiSWVkBgzgncp3eiH+B9SN8P0B1/ekUJ38d/crNh/6x 61PAiWrWlZl0saEs+Y7Er0SRoRPIoXawFm14y6Vqa56TlFR0q1uXTjZl42Q9SyRzgPqc NFaA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Cp6l1h+5ZZuAzm0Z7F89+J5G1aw5g4Ey3+4UG84BTXw=; b=GErzuETzml8iTaqhbv6BDk5P43SPjLsstC1MysSs+RS6UYIkx8Ex/pputL1d1f0bnU dbsEvblnDwiJMadEdQfn1cjCF+bRKeeXJy6V88+Awj4bW5zm/mW3UWu/RUf6WV1owOyT 3+sCzTBpgFMal7f9QnOboQZnizKvLajf9UpbgcOT7ldEWR/sk8qkXqYOx+1sqJ3c4Jz1 SoOMzD/IYQ/Gkv+8HD2T+o9jWuw26EDEfZdaxZHWM/kqICy+M2iwQW07HyCb/Av7oR3F Hsc7BzzodgZYXY+26YfwXmh7X5pGWIBamv+CYGExK5V8z5DAkxxbMDUUxSwowO2JkxOH UwtQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53240GlkaSzYtGbVY7O1ghhKFdiXzCLXQ/5ZJwM8HCLHXCJppQdY jDslwPi8rNVLuVlFlEfeQ7KA5eEru0jTQkqCvPkrBIJ5VBo=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyNwIJ/2H3SmDKmubbw/SSDvjuWAtHEtjYbqy+MlF73F1U3FX9DWrijWzPN98GAZfkjUizdke5JPPHByVdLaf0=
X-Received: by 2002:a25:ae12:0:b0:628:b787:b0c2 with SMTP id a18-20020a25ae12000000b00628b787b0c2mr9958850ybj.382.1646695358253; Mon, 07 Mar 2022 15:22:38 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
From: Justin Grant <justingrant.ietf.public@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2022 15:22:27 -0800
Message-ID: <CACy7CfhB63dgxatWHYSr-KMKP1SWwd6nRmumCSCPVijgYede4A@mail.gmail.com>
To: sedate@ietf.org
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e1cd3505d9a9239c"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sedate/g1AXSR9ZskDlyjEeVLHQt7u6VdM>
Subject: [Sedate] Can offsets like [+02:00] be used instead of IANA names in brackets?
X-BeenThere: sedate@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events <sedate.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/sedate>, <mailto:sedate-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/sedate/>
List-Post: <mailto:sedate@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sedate-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sedate>, <mailto:sedate-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2022 23:22:45 -0000

The current ABNF for the time zone extension does not support offset time
zones, e.g. [+08:45]. Offset zones are supported in java.time, which is the
prior art driving the bracketed time zone extension format. Should the
standard also allow offsets in brackets too?

https://github.com/ietf-wg-sedate/draft-ietf-sedate-datetime-extended/issues/12
has discussion relevant to this question.

FWIW, in the design of Temporal we've assumed that we should support
offsets in brackets for compatibility with Java. Here's a Java example:

public class MyClass {
    public static void main(String args[]) {
      java.time.ZonedDateTime zdt =
java.time.ZonedDateTime.parse("2021-12-09T00:00-08:00[-08:00]");
      System.out.println(zdt.toString());
    }
}

Cheers,
Justin Grant