Re: [Sframe] Dispatch of SFrame for End-To-End Encrypted Conference Calls

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 3:20 PM Emad Omara <emadomara=
40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> Some responses inline. Other authors please feel free to add more.
>
> Emad
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:13 PM Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Patrick.
>>
>> Authors: It would be helpful to get a little more background:
>>
>> - How does this work relate to PERC? What problem does it solve that PERC
>> doesn’t?
>>
> This is a completely different approach than PERC. THis draft aims for
> simplicity and efficiency. The sdrame draft itself has some benchmarks
> against the PERC approach.  That being said the sframe draft focuses mainly
> on the media encryption part and touches slightly other parts in the system
> like key management and integration with WebRTC. If this became a standard
> we will have to write a separate draft for each of these two topics.
>
>> - Do you expect this to become an IETF standard available to anyone to
>> implement? Who do you think would implement it?
>>
> Yes. This will be implemented by the  video conference providers. The core
> protocol implementation is on the client side.
>
>> - Is anyone outside of Google working on the spec or implementing the
>> protocol? Has anyone outside of Google expressed interest in doing so?
>>
> Yes, the document is co-authored by +Sergio murillo
> <sergio.garcia.murillo@cosmosoftware.io> & +Alexandre GOUAILLARD
> <Alex.GOUAILLARD@cosmosoftware.io> from Cosmos Software.
>

On this last point: We are considering this for some projects at Cisco.

--Richard

> - Anything else you think would help motivate people to read the draft and
>> give feedback :-)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ben.
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Patrick McManus <patrick.ducksong@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All -
>>
>> I failed to note the link highlighting in Emad's mail to the list which
>> already contained the draft. Sorry about that. (It's
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-omara-sframe-00 if you too missed it).
>>
>> There's also a github and mailing list referenced:
>> https://github.com/eomara/sframe
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/sframe/?
>>
>> [I've also forked the Subject Line to help interested readers]
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:42 PM Patrick McManus <
>> patrick.ducksong@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds really interesting Emad and there's obviously related work going
>>> on (at least perc, maybe even mls..).
>>>
>>> Sending that email Ben mentions to the dispatch list to raise awareness
>>> with a link to the draft would be helpful in getting the process started..
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:33 PM Emad Omara <emadomara@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>> This draft proposes a solution for end-to-end encrypted conference
>>>> calls. We implemented this in Google a couple of years ago in Duo, but the
>>>> draft was only published last month given the current interest in the topic.
>>>>
>>>> The goal of the session is to go through the proposal and see if there
>>>> is interest to continue working on this, and if so what will be the best WG
>>>> to host this work.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Emad
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:02 AM Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Emad,
>>>>>
>>>>> We prioritize DISPATCH meeting time to focus on topics that have had
>>>>> DISPATCH list discussion and need high-bandwidth time to resolve. Unless
>>>>> I’ve missed something, this topic has not previously come up in DISPATCH. I
>>>>> suggest sending a note to this list with some background about the draft
>>>>> and how you would like to see it progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Emad Omara <
>>>>> emadomara=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> We would like to have a session in the next IETF to discuss the SFrame
>>>>> draft <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-omara-sframe-00> Can you
>>>>> please help scheduling this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Emad
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