Re: [shara] Comments on the A+P issues (D. Thaler presentation)

<mohamed.boucadair@orange-ftgroup.com> Thu, 12 November 2009 14:19 UTC

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-----Message d'origine-----
De : Masataka Ohta [mailto:mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp] 
Envoyé : jeudi 12 novembre 2009 15:11
À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed NCPI/NAD/TIP
Cc : shara@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [shara] Comments on the A+P issues (D. Thaler presentation)

mohamed.boucadair@orange-ftgroup.com wrote:

> Just treat identifier and sequence numbers of ICMP echo request as 
> source and destination port numbers and of ICMP echo reply as 
> destination and source port numbers, respectively.
> 
> Med: This is why I mentioned "with the current ICMP version" since 
> changes may be required if we want to solve the exchange of ICMP 
> messages when both the source and destination are located behind NAT 
> devices.

All you need are fields which can be regarded as source and destination port numbers and the current ICMP works as is just as current TCP works.
 
> ICMP echo with end to end NAT is just working so.
> 
> Med: Even when you have two NATs/PRR in the path (this was the 
> scenario I'm referring to)?

Sure.

Med: Do you have in mind something like what is illustrated in the attached figure (assumes that )? This requires that the source knows the ID which will be used to relay the ICMP message to the appropriate device sharing the same address.


						Masataka Ohta


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