Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp-03)
<mohamed.boucadair@orange-ftgroup.com> Tue, 17 March 2009 13:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp-03)
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Thank you for this clarification. Please see inline. _____ De : Jan Zorz @ go6.si [mailto:jan@go6.si] Envoyé : mardi 17 mars 2009 14:44 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed RD-CORE-CAE Cc : Gabor.Bajko@nokia.com; shara@ietf.org; dwing@cisco.com Objet : Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp-03) mohamed.boucadair@orange-ftgroup.com wrote: Thanks. What I missed in your initial answer is why you are referring to offloading the DNS resv to the **core (PRR)**. Mohamed, hi. Sorry for the mess. This referred to avoiding to complicate even further with port randomization within contiguous, non-contiguous or random port ranges allocated to CPE. My personal feeling is that we already did a solution complex enough and we might not have to go towards the way of making it even more complex. [Med] Randomisation should not be seen as a target per se, but rather the problem it solves. For me, randomisation does not solve security issues but makes difficult some attacks. Non-contiguous port range does also... Randomisation can also be implemented with port range solutions, but some concerns are to be studied: - What is the port range limit beyond which randomisation is not **efficient**? - If randomisation is to be implemented, instead of non contiguous port ranges for instance, what is the impact on the PRR performances? BTW, I agree with you and Pierre that a minimum of functionalities are needed to have implementation of port range solution. Cheers, Med Thanks, Jan Zorz
- [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp-03) Dan Wing
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Gabor.Bajko
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Dan Wing
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Randy Bush
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… teemu.savolainen
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Dan Wing
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… pierre.levis
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Lars Eggert
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Rémi Denis-Courmont
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Rémi Després
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Rémi Després
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… teemu.savolainen
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… MILES DAVID
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Dan Wing
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Dan Wing
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Gabor.Bajko
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Dan Wing
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Dan Wing
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… pierre.levis
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… Jan Zorz @ go6.si
- Re: [shara] port randomization (draft-ymbk-aplusp… mohamed.boucadair