Re: [shara] SHARA preliminary agenda posted

[Ralph Droms <[e-mail]>]

Randy - you wrote:

   i guess you don't need the nokia drafts at the france telecom bof

To respond to that statement, I need to know what the nokia drafts  
are.  I asked you a while ago which drafts are the nokia drafts and  
this time I asked if draft-ymbk-aplusp-05.txt is one of the nokia  
drafts.  In neither case did you give me an answer I can translate  
into being able to identify the nokia drafts you referred to up  
above.  So, that's OK, I'll resign myself to remaining in the dark  
about your comment.

I also wasn't able to identify the Nokia mode of use from the A+P  
documents I read, so I don't know what you're concerned about us  
ruling out of scope for the BOF.  Because of concerns about the impact  
of A+P on hosts, on processing other protocols, on fragmentation and  
on the deployment of IPv6, I decided it made the most sense to discuss  
A+P in the context of an IGD using DS-lite.  Perhaps that constraint  
could be generalized to other IPv6-transport softwires.

However, A+P remains a function distinct from DS-lite, and at least  
deserves review in its own BOF.  I think there is significant work to  
do to get the details right, so my current opinion is that A+P needs  
its own WG.

- Ralph

On Nov 6, 2009, at 11:40 AM 11/6/09, Randy Bush wrote:

>> Randy - I'm confused.  Is draft-ymbk-aplusp-05.txt one of the "nokia
>> drafts"?
>
> a+p was independently and simultaneously invented by nokia and our  
> gang
> (smb, olaf, luca, ...).  you will see that nokia is listed as co- 
> authors
> of current a+p draft.  they have a very different application of a+p
> than ds-lite/softwires.
>
> we reached a reasonable accord with alain, nokia, ...
>
> the iesg/iab players have not even bothered to do their homework.   
> e.g.
> limiting the bof to the ds-lite application, which completely leaves  
> out
> the nokia mode of use and many others.  therefore, it then becomes
> unclear why this ds-lite discussion is not in softwires, as i said a
> month or more ago when the st00pid ds-lite limit was announced.
>
> randy