Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 19 October 2011 22:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01
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This looks good to me, I agree that it could go to the AD now.

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 2011-10-18 20:36, Alberto García wrote:
> Hi,
> I've just posted a new -'unloaded'- draft version (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-02.txt). I think now it should be ready to go forward.
> Thank you for your comments.
> 
> Regards,
> Alberto
> 
> |  -----Mensaje original-----
> |  De: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]
> |  Enviado el: sábado, 15 de octubre de 2011 5:51
> |  Para: Geoff Huston
> |  CC: Alberto García; draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-multihoming-without-
> |  ipv6nat@tools.ietf.org; shim6-wg
> |  Asunto: Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01
> |  
> |  Geoff, I think you're right, even though I share the animosity.
> |  
> |  Regards
> |     Brian Carpenter
> |  
> |  On 2011-10-15 14:03, Geoff Huston wrote:
> |  > Frankly I think it better not to use such loaded terms in an RFC
> |  >
> |  > if you dropped "Despite...connectivity," from the document would it
> |  > really change anything?
> |  >
> |  > regards,
> |  >
> |  >    Geoff
> |  >
> |  > On 15/10/2011, at 6:31 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> |  >
> |  >> Yes, thanks. It's better to point to the less harmful solution than
> |  >> to imply NAPTv6.
> |  >>
> |  >> Regards
> |  >>   Brian
> |  >>
> |  >> On 2011-10-15 05:21, Alberto García wrote:
> |  >>> Hi Brian,
> |  >>>
> |  >>> [...]
> |  >>> |  > - I've added a new subsection named 'Shim6 and IPv6 NAT' after
> |  >>> | the  > firewall section. In short, IPv6 NATs may allow
> |  >>> | communicating with the  > ULID pair (with the initial locators),
> |  >>> | but communication will break  > with some cases in which locators
> |  are changed.
> |  >>> |
> |  >>> |
> |  >>> |  Please please change this to refer to *prefix* translation and RFC
> |  6296.
> |  >>> |  Although that RFC is only Experimental, the idea is to show that
> |  >>> | the prefix  translation (not NAPT) is all we need for IPv6.
> |  >>>
> |  >>> Sure. Do you think it would be enough to change the first sentence of
> |  the 'Shim6 and IPv6 NAT' section to include a reference to RFC 6296, as
> |  follows?:
> |  >>>
> |  >>>  "Despite the animosity of the technical community against IPv6 NATs
> |  >>>   because of disrupting end-to-end connectivity, address translation
> |  >>>   techniques such as Network Prefix Translation [RFC6296] may be used
> |  >>>   until workable solutions to avoid renumbering or facilitate
> |  >>>   multihoming are developed [RFC5902].  We now consider the impact
> |  of
> |  >>>   IPv6 NATs in Shim6 operation."
> |  >>>
> |  >>> Regards,
> |  >>> Alberto
> |  >>>
> |  >>>
> |  >>> |
> |  >>> |  Regards
> |  >>> |     Brian
> |  >>> |
> |  >>> |  > Since there are many changes, I have generated a new version of
> |  >>> | the
> |  >>> |  draft:
> |  >>> |  >
> |  >>> | https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-garcia-shim6-applicability/
> |  >>> |  >
> |  >>> |  > What do you think?
> |  >>> |  >
> |  >>> |  > Thanks,
> |  >>> |  > Alberto
> |  >>> |  >
> |  >>> |  > |
> |  >>> |  > |  In any case I support this draft going forward to the AD quite
> |  soon.
> |  >>> |  > |
> |  >>> |  > |  Regards
> |  >>> |  > |     Brian Carpenter
> |  >>> |  > |
> |  >>> |  > |
> |  >>> |  > |
> |  >>> |  > |
> |  >
> 
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