Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01
Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> Sat, 15 October 2011 01:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01
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Frankly I think it better not to use such loaded terms in an RFC if you dropped "Despite...connectivity," from the document would it really change anything? regards, Geoff On 15/10/2011, at 6:31 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Yes, thanks. It's better to point to the less harmful solution than > to imply NAPTv6. > > Regards > Brian > > On 2011-10-15 05:21, Alberto García wrote: >> Hi Brian, >> >> [...] >> | > - I've added a new subsection named 'Shim6 and IPv6 NAT' after the >> | > firewall section. In short, IPv6 NATs may allow communicating with the >> | > ULID pair (with the initial locators), but communication will break >> | > with some cases in which locators are changed. >> | >> | >> | Please please change this to refer to *prefix* translation and RFC 6296. >> | Although that RFC is only Experimental, the idea is to show that the prefix >> | translation (not NAPT) is all we need for IPv6. >> >> Sure. Do you think it would be enough to change the first sentence of the 'Shim6 and IPv6 NAT' section to include a reference to RFC 6296, as follows?: >> >> "Despite the animosity of the technical community against IPv6 NATs >> because of disrupting end-to-end connectivity, address translation >> techniques such as Network Prefix Translation [RFC6296] may be used >> until workable solutions to avoid renumbering or facilitate >> multihoming are developed [RFC5902]. We now consider the impact of >> IPv6 NATs in Shim6 operation." >> >> Regards, >> Alberto >> >> >> | >> | Regards >> | Brian >> | >> | > Since there are many changes, I have generated a new version of the >> | draft: >> | > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-garcia-shim6-applicability/ >> | > >> | > What do you think? >> | > >> | > Thanks, >> | > Alberto >> | > >> | > | >> | > | In any case I support this draft going forward to the AD quite soon. >> | > | >> | > | Regards >> | > | Brian Carpenter >> | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> | > |
- Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [shim6] I-D Action: draft-garcia-shim6-applic… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [shim6] I-D Action: draft-garcia-shim6-applic… Geoff Huston
- Re: [shim6] I-D Action: draft-garcia-shim6-applic… Alberto García
- [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01 Alberto García
- Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01 Geoff Huston
- Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01 Alberto García
- Re: [shim6] draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-01 Brian E Carpenter