Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for the "SMTP Headers Unhealthy To User Privacy" WG (fwd)

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 01 December 2015 19:10 UTC

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Tuesday, Dec 1, 2015 1:21 PM Chris Lewis wrote:
> What we have now is a very small number of providers [...]

e.g., gmail.
 
> When you get a
> series of harassing emails from a given site originating from a given
> user that's forging from lines and mutating content, you have nothing
> concrete to filter on to distinguish it from other email from the same
> provider.

This is why against our protestations DKIM is seeing wide deployment.   The fact that there is nothing in the mail submit process that prevents the user from forging headers is the problem.   Violating non-evil users' privacy in order to solve that problem is stealing from Peter to pay Paul.


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