Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for the "SMTP Headers Unhealthy To User Privacy" WG (fwd)

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 01 December 2015 23:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for the "SMTP Headers Unhealthy To User Privacy" WG (fwd)
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Tuesday, Dec 1, 2015 6:11 PM Chris Lewis wrote:
> When your cat's litter box gets infected with, say, cutwail, spewing gazillions of copies of randomized "come do X to my Y!" exhortations, you're not giving the receiver (ML or ad-hoc) very much to distinguish between that and your pearls of wisdom.

Er, no, the cat box doesn't have my credentials nor know my email address, so it can't send spam from me.   If it sends spam from someone other than me, the Received header field makes my /legitimate/ email look more like spam, because both the cat's spam and my legitimate email have the same IP address in the Received header field.   In this case I /definitely/ don't want the Received header field.


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