Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for something

Steve Atkins <steve@wordtothewise.com> Thu, 10 December 2015 17:36 UTC

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> On Dec 10, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Martijn Grooten <martijn@lapsedordinary.net> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 04:56:29PM +0000, Richard Clayton wrote:
>> an IP address generally indicates the ISP and country of origin (but
>> there's a number of edge cases)
> 
> The email address does at least indicate the former.

Only in the cases where the email address is provided by the access ISP
of the user. That's not as common as it was (and the case where all the email addresses
in the domain are used solely by users of the same access ISP is vanishingly
rare).

Cheers,
  Steve