Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for the "SMTP Headers Unhealthy To User Privacy" WG (fwd)

"MH Michael Hammer (5304)" <MHammer@ag.com> Wed, 02 December 2015 18:23 UTC

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-smtp [mailto:ietf-smtp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ted
> Lemon
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 1:03 PM
> To: shutup@ietf.org
> Cc: ietf-smtp@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] [Shutup] Proposed Charter for the "SMTP Headers
> Unhealthy To User Privacy" WG (fwd)
> 
> Wednesday, Dec 2, 2015 12:40 PM John Levine wrote:
> > You can kind of tell where I am from my mail headers, but since my
> > name and address and phone number are in the phone book, it's hard to
> > imagine what the damage would be.
> 
> The damage is that there are quite a few John Levines in the world.   If you
> say something that triggers someone's desire to harass you, they will be able
> to use your IP address to determine that it is the John Levine who lives in
> Trumansburg who offended them, and then they can just google "John
> Levine Trumansburg" to dox or swat you.   This is _precisely_ the problem
> with revealing your IP address.   It took me about ten minutes to get your
> home address, and that's because I don't have any practice.   Without the IP
> address, I would have had no chance of figuring out _which_ John Levine to
> target with my notional swatting or pizza delivery.  It would have taken <1
> minute to find your street address except that you did a good job of chaffing
> by using a P.O. Box.
> 

It took me 20 seconds using google and no IP Addresses were harmed in the testing - https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=john+levine. BTW John, congratulations on your page ranking. 

I've refrained from getting into this conversation but increasingly my sense is that Ted has a solution that is seeking a problem.

Mike