Re: [Shutup] Proposed Charter for something

Martijn Grooten <martijn@lapsedordinary.net> Mon, 07 December 2015 07:44 UTC

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 07:44:14 +0000
From: Martijn Grooten <martijn@lapsedordinary.net>
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On Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 02:34:26AM -0000, John Levine wrote:
> This is increasingly looking like a RG, not a WG.  There's a lot of
> speculation about what aspects of mail messages and SMTP sessions have
> what privacy implications, with an extremely premature focus on IP
> address logging.  I'd much rather back up a step or two and see if we
> can catalog the aspects of mail messages with estimates of the privacy
> benefits and risks of each, keeping in mind the context.  

I would be in favour of such a RG.

Martijn.