Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for something

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 09 December 2015 21:17 UTC

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> I recently noticed RFC 5111 which describes an Exploratory Group, sort
> of half way between a WG and a RG.  This seems like a good fit.


Here's why it isn't:

     The distance between the current state of the community and the
ability to start a productive working group is not merely the matter of
clarifying a few issues.

     The community has no overall sense of privacy protection, nor
efficacy of choices, nor... well, many things.

      Absent a basic, systems-approach to guide community effort, for
doing anything but the most blindingly obvious steps for protection, the
community will be executing a random walk through a very complex face.

      This will essentially guarantee spending quite a lot of time and
money on an effort that will have little benefit.

d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net