Re: [Shutup] Proposed Charter for the "SMTP Headers Unhealthy To User Privacy" WG

Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Sun, 06 December 2015 07:05 UTC

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From: Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com>
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Subject: Re: [Shutup] Proposed Charter for the "SMTP Headers Unhealthy To User Privacy" WG
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SM <sm@resistor.net> writes:

> An attack on organization is a security issue; it isn't a privacy
> issue.  The privacy issue is about mail-related metadata which can be
> collected by state surveillance agencies.  Will the proposed working
> group attempt to fix that?

As I pointed out on the perpass list when the Received: field draft was first
posted, there are definitely privacy issues associated with Received: fields, 
but metadata collection by state actors really isn't one of them. Why bother
with Received: fields when you can simply collect transaction logs from
ISPs/MSPs.

And unless I'm missing something, the generation and collection of
transaction logs is far beyond the purview of the IETF.

				Ned