Re: [sidr] Interim Meeting Draft Agenda: 04-30-2012 (April 30, 2012)

Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> Wed, 11 April 2012 18:09 UTC

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Chris Morrow <morrowc@ops-netman.net> wrote:
>
>
> On 04/11/2012 01:57 PM, Danny McPherson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I suppose, to me this looks like any other configuration thing you
>>> do today on routers... beating the vendor over the head to support
>>> sane (netconf? maybe?) methods for provisioning, is already done.
>>
>> So how we onboard, update, or purge information from RPKI and sign
>
> I think there are 2 things here:
>  1) router-signing-cert (ee-cert?)
>  2) rpki-digested-data (prefix + origin + cert-sig/etc)
>
> they don't have to get to the router in the same way, do they? (I
> suppose they COULD, but that isn't necessarily mandatory and isn't how
> it's currently spec'd)
>
>> stuff on n routers in z locations that 10's of thousands of others
>> will evaluate in millions of routers to determine reachability of our
>
> wait, now you added a 3rd item:
>  3) rpki data repository/publication-point
>
>> information is relegated to "out of scope" of SIDR?
>
> nope, I think the part I was talking about was JUST #1 above. you put
> that cert on your router in some implementation-specific manner. Does
> the IETF have to (should it?) state there are some operational security
> concerns with this? ie: "It is probably a bad idea to copy/paste an
> unencrypted private key on a telnet session across the open Internet to
> the router."  (that sort of thing could be placed in the bgpsec-ops doc,
> it's not there as near as I can tell today).
>
> -chris