Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs

"Roque Gagliano (rogaglia)" <rogaglia@cisco.com> Mon, 05 May 2014 17:14 UTC

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From: "Roque Gagliano (rogaglia)" <rogaglia@cisco.com>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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On May 5, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

>>>>>  3.14  While the trust level of a route should be determined by the
>>>>>        BGPsec protocol, local routing preference and policy MUST then
>>>>>        be applied to best path and other routing decisions.  Such
>>>>>        mechanisms SHOULD conform with [I-D.ietf-sidr-ltamgmt].
>>>>> ...
>>>>>  3.17  If a BGPsec design makes use of a security infrastructure, that
>>>>>        infrastructure SHOULD enable each network operator to select
>>>>>        the entities it will trust when authenticating data in the
>>>>>        security infrastructure.  See, for example,
>>>>>        [I-D.ietf-sidr-ltamgmt].
>> 
>> What about adding that "the connection to this security infrastructure
>> MUST be through a secure channel"?
> 
> connection from what?  mains power?  :)
> this is about routers speaking bgpsec.  imiho, it would be ill-adviised
> to start down the rat-hole of operational practices of router management
> for which there is no proof of termination.

I was thinking on the issues we had on origin with adding security for RTR and to better document this requirement early on.

Roque

> randy