Re: [sidr] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rtr-rfc6810-bis-08: (with COMMENT)

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Thu, 16 February 2017 01:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [sidr] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rtr-rfc6810-bis-08: (with COMMENT)
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>>> - section 9: What's the background to removing the statement
>>> that one of TCP-AO ssh etc SHOULD be used? What is the reality
>>> of deployments here? I assume it is not TCP-AO anyway but does
>>> TLS or SSH get used?
>> 
>> TCP-AO never maaterialized.
>> 
>> off-hand, i can not think of a way to measure who is using what, but i
>> have this horrible suspicion it's all "it's all inside our domain of
>> control, so let's just run nekkid."
> 
> Yeah that's the concern. If the answer was "seems mostly folks
> use ssh" (or tls, or ipsec, whatever), I'd have asked if we
> could get away with at least a SHOULD-use for that.
> 
> Such encouragement would be good IMO, if it's non-fiction.

i hack routers and servers daily to keep from becoming a complete bs
artiste.  so of course i tried setting up and running each transport.
ssh was painful; key-based did not work for many platforms, ...  no AO
on any platform i could find.  no TLS client side support.  and there is
a special hell where you have to do a device-diverse deployment of ipsec
once a day ( smb has a student who did a good paper on this).

luckily, ipv6 comes with secure transport built in.  oh wait.

i fear we are in yet another case of security software is not easy to
use so we shift the blame to the user.  we've gotten good at that.

i think that all this is designed to make me happy to go back to hacking
on a paper in latex.

randy