Re: [sidr] On 0/0 at the 5 TAs - Some comments on the motivations

Daniel Shaw <daniel@afrinic.net> Mon, 12 September 2016 06:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [sidr] On 0/0 at the 5 TAs - Some comments on the motivations
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>>> I’ll let each RIR answer for themselves. In our case (LACNIC), we don’t support up/down. We’ve had a very rough implementation of a ‘parent’ CA for a while, but since there is essentially no demand for it from our members, the project always gets down-prioritized.
>>> 
> 
> For ARIN, we have code for both sides of the relationship tested against the Dragon software and some of the other RIRs. We allow for delegated CAs today in production, but the vast majority of network operators do not opt for it.
> 

Just a quick note on AFRINIC’s implementation: we do support up-down, and have previously also tested with a couple of other RIRs. Testing was some years ago now.


>>> In short: it’s not the availability of up-down what has stalled the GTA.
>> 
> 
> This is the salient point.

Yes.

- Daniel