Re: [sidr] BGPSec scaling (was RE: beacons and bgpsec)

Russ White <russw@riw.us> Fri, 09 September 2011 15:10 UTC

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>     as a vendor friend says, if ipv6 deploys, insha allah, we're gonna
>     be upgrading those routers to do real v6 forwarding.  if it does not
>     deploy, you will be deploying massively bigger boxes to nat your ass
>     into hell.

There are two possible results, it seems to me:

1. The cost of deploying IPv6 will "bury" the cost of doing BGPsec, so
that BGPsec essentially becomes "free" in the IPv6 upgrade.

2. The cost of deploying BGPsec will be significant enough that it can't
be "buried," in any other costs.

The question is --which is true? I'm guessing #2 is going to be true,
but many others seem to think #1 is true. The reality is that the market
will decide, and no study is going to be able to answer this question fully.

Russ