Re: [sidr] [Idr] AS_SET depreciation (RFC6472) and BGP multipath

Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com> Wed, 28 March 2012 22:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [sidr] [Idr] AS_SET depreciation (RFC6472) and BGP multipath
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Jakob Heitz.


On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:57 PM, "Jakob Heitz" <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com> wrote:

> This can be done.
> Like I said before: aggregate the signatures of the paths being aggregated.
> String all the signed paths together (after wrapping them with a header), add your SKI and destination AS (as normal) and sign over the lot.
> 
> Question is: does anyone want to?
> 
> --
> Jakob Heitz.
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> 
> On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:17 PM, "Tony Li" <tony.li@tony.li> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 28, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
>> 
>>>>> * Continue to call as_aggregate and still generate AS_SET
>>>>> effectively depreciating RFC6472 (quagga approach)
>>>> 
>>>> Generating sets is the safest thing to do.
>>> 
>>> Glad you said this. I do agree.
>> 
>> 
>> Understood, but how do you ever secure this?  Set SIDR aside for a second, what would ANY path verification mechanism have to do to secure the full path?
>> 
>> It would seem that the ONLY thing one could reasonably do is to describe the full topology, and that would seem to require the ability to describe an arbitrary tree, not just a set of vectors of paths.
>> 
>> Tony
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