Re: [sidr] On 0/0 at the 5 TAs - Some comments on the motivations

"Carlos M. Martinez" <carlosm3011@gmail.com> Thu, 08 September 2016 16:02 UTC

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From: "Carlos M. Martinez" <carlosm3011@gmail.com>
To: Rob Austein <sra@hactrn.net>
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 12:57:57 -0300
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Hi Rob,

I’ll let each RIR answer for themselves. In our case (LACNIC), we 
don’t support up/down. We’ve had a very rough implementation of a 
‘parent’ CA for a while, but since there is essentially no demand 
for it from our members, the project always gets down-prioritized.

If the GTA was to gain any traction, we’d commit resources accordingly 
in order to support it from the ‘child’ side.

In short: it’s not the availability of up-down what has stalled the 
GTA.

tks!

Carlos

On 8 Sep 2016, at 12:37, Rob Austein wrote:

> Hi, Carlos.  Technical question:
>
> Do the current RIR CA implementations support the client role of the
> "up-down" provisioning protocol, and, if so, has there been any recent
> interop testing of this, either against other RIR CA implementations
> or against mine?
>
> APNIC's original implementation did support it.  I think RIPE's
> implementation sort of supported it at one point but they did not
> consider it production-ready.  Dunno about the others, and all of this
> was a while ago, haven't heard much about it recently.
>
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