Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs
Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> Tue, 20 May 2014 15:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs
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On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: >> i didn't update the tracker... (i hadn't ever in the past). > > uh, that is between you and the datawhacker > >> Did we circle down on an answer for the leak/persay language that >> everyone's happy with? If so I'd like to push out a pub request today. > > as far as i am aware, there is no issue with leak language. we got past > folk looking up 'per se' in their dictionaries. the one open issue is > > >>>>> 3.14 While the trust level of a route should be determined by the > >>>>> BGPsec protocol, local routing preference and policy MUST then > >>>>> be applied to best path and other routing decisions. Such > >>>>> mechanisms SHOULD conform with [I-D.ietf-sidr-ltamgmt]. > >>>>> ... > >>>>> 3.17 If a BGPsec design makes use of a security infrastructure, that > >>>>> infrastructure SHOULD enable each network operator to select > >>>>> the entities it will trust when authenticating data in the > >>>>> security infrastructure. See, for example, > >>>>> [I-D.ietf-sidr-ltamgmt]. > >>> > >>> What about adding that "the connection to this security infrastructure > >>> MUST be through a secure channel"? > > > > it's done via rcynic and/or rpki-to-rtr, right? depending on where in > > the process you are... presuming the process looks like: > > publication-point - gatherer - cache - router > > (rcynic) (rcynic) (rpki-rtr) > > apologies to roque. some external data were indeed what was meant (an > rpki-like thing is an example), and was inteneded by "security > infrastructure." > > the authenticity of those data is an issue. we might say so in sec > cons. > > and i am waiting for wglc to close so i can make the hack once. Roque, is the change/text ok? or ?
- [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Shane Amante
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs George, Wes
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Russ White
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Russ White
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Jakob Heitz
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Jakob Heitz
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Brian Dickson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Brian Dickson
- [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Chris Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Warren Kumari
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- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs George, Wes
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Warren Kumari
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs George, Wes
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs George, Wes
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Roque Gagliano (rogaglia)
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Roque Gagliano (rogaglia)
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs George, Wes
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Montgomery, Douglas
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Montgomery, Douglas
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs Sandra Murphy