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"Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)" <kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov> Sat, 03 September 2016 14:56 UTC

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From: "Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)" <kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov>
To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>, Stephen Kent <kent@bbn.com>
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I think using the term "RPKI anomalies" is another choice here. It's kind of neutral about cause/intention.
Advising/alerting the user community about -
RPKI anomalies may arise due to various reasons.
It could be due to fat fingers, negligence, or actions by your service provider or law enforcement, etc.
They have potential impacts on your routing, so you should be watchful, etc..

Sriram
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From: sidr <sidr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [sidr] adverse actions -01 posted

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Stephen Kent <kent@bbn.com<mailto:kent@bbn.com>> wrote:
Randy
Tim offered no suggestion for a different term, which is not helpful.
the suggestion was "unwanted".
I reread Tim's message; I don't interpret it as having suggested
"unwanted" as an alternative.
that is clear.  others, such as matthias and i, did.  but this is not
productive.

to be clear, i hereby suggest s/adverse/unwanted/
I will process your suggestion in the same spirit that you continue to ignore my comments about revising the folksy language in the LTA use cases document.

The term "adverse" is appropriate here.


The discussion here seems to be about (though I haven't seen this word used) connotations attached to 'adverse'.  'by the english definition'  adverse may be correct. It may be worth using 'unwanted' though to avoid the connotations associated with 'adverse' ?

Is the point here that occasionally a parent my ask you to eat your peas, while you don't enjoy that thought?

Contrary to Tim's assertion, it does not imply, ".. that for conscious actions by a parent CA against the will by a child CA, the parent is "wrong" and the child is "right."

"unwanted" is a wimpy term that fails to convey the fact that the actions have a negative impact on the INR holder.

Steve


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