Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordination (Was: WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification - ENDS 03/22/2023 (Mar 22 2023))
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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2023 18:58:08 +0200
From: Job Snijders <job@fastly.com>
To: Martin Hoffmann <martin@nlnetlabs.nl>
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordination (Was: WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification - ENDS 03/22/2023 (Mar 22 2023))
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On Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 06:49:27PM +0200, Martin Hoffmann wrote: > Russ Housley wrote: > > > > 3. What are the consequences if those implementations if the RFC > > uses the same version number with a different structure? > > Hm, this raises in interesting point not about RTR but about the ASPA > profile. Have there been ASN.1 defined protocol structures where a > version change triggers an entirely different definition rather than > just extending the original? E.g., in X.509 certificates, the version > number just mandates different extensions or limits certain optional > values. > > Maybe a better approach would be to use a different content type OID? The first approach that came to my mind was to bump the ASPA version field in the eContent, as can be seen in the likely next version of the draft here: https://github.com/QratorLabs/ASPA/pull/15/files (I assume nobody is surprised by mod-rpki-aspa-2023) A new content-type OID certainly is another valid approach. This might make it easier for DER deserializers to earlier on recognize which of the two flavours the eContent is going to be. Do people have a preference one way or another? Kind regards, Job
- [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verifica… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Chris Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Amir Herzberg
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Ben Maddison
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
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- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Amir Herzberg
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Amreesh Phokeer
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Aftab Siddiqui
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Lubashev, Igor
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Di Ma
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Lubashev, Igor
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Ben Maddison
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Ben Maddison
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Lubashev, Igor
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Lubashev, Igor
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Lubashev, Igor
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… 戴志滨
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Martin Hoffmann
- [Sidrops] Fw: WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC = draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-veri… Christopher Morrow
- [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordination… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Di Ma
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Matthias Waehlisch
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Alexander Azimov
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Alexander Azimov
- Re: [Sidrops] Making ASPA AFI-Agnostic - coordina… Alexander Azimov