Re: [Sidrops] ASPA duplicates

Job Snijders <job@sobornost.net> Tue, 28 April 2020 18:03 UTC

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:03:23 +0200
From: Job Snijders <job@sobornost.net>
To: Jay Borkenhagen <jayb@braeburn.org>, sidrops@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] ASPA duplicates
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, at 18:53, Jay Borkenhagen wrote:
> The current ASPA Verification draft:
> 
>  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-04
> 
> .... says in Section 3 "For a selected Customer AS MAY exist only
> single ASPA object."
> 
> I concur that an ASPA object should list every authorized upstream ASN
> to avoid possible race conditions, and as such it makes sense for only
> a single ASPA object to exist at any point in time.
> 
> But how is that uniqueness to be ensured?  What should RPs do if
> multiple validated ASPA objects are ever found to exist?

Good question. What should it do?

I expect such duplicates *will* exist if ASPA were to be deployed for real: in cases where an ASN is transferred from one RIR to another RIR and one wishes to make before break.

Kind regards,

Job