Re: [Sidrops] [routing-wg] misconceptions about ROV

Job Snijders <job@fastly.com> Tue, 22 February 2022 11:44 UTC

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:43:54 +0100
From: Job Snijders <job@fastly.com>
To: Tim Bruijnzeels <tim@nlnetlabs.nl>
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [routing-wg] misconceptions about ROV
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On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 12:38:59PM +0100, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote:
> Currently you need to accept BGPSec invalid path on any path where at
> least one ASN does NOT participate in BGPSec. Applying BGPSec path
> validation is only safe when you know that ALL ASNs on the path
> participate.

Are you perhaps confusing 'unsigned' and 'invalid' paths?

Regards,

Job